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We were supposed to publish episode 13.15, an episode recapping and analyzing episode 15 of the hit K Drama Start-Up. We’ve had some technical difficulties, so instead, we are republishing episode 11.18, the episode where we analyze the movie Past Lives by Celine Song. Thanks for your patience. We’ll be back to Start-Up next week!
Original show notes:
Today, we’ll be discussing Past Lives, the acclaimed 2023 film written and directed by Celine Song and starring Greta Lee as Nora Moon, Teo Yoo as Hae Sung, and John Magaro as Arthur. We discuss:
How Past Lives explores the Asian diaspora experience, especially the tension and beauty of living between two cultures.
The significance of Greta Lee’s performance and her fear of speaking Korean, being filmed in 35mm film.
The childhood relationship between Na Young and Hae Sung and how their sweet bond sets the foundation for the rest of the story.
The scene of their final childhood goodbye on the stairs—symbolic of diverging life paths and emotional separation.
The realism of immigration—what is gained and lost when families move to another country, and how that move changes identity and aspirations.
The film’s exploration of inyeon, the Korean concept of fate or connection, and how it plays out in both romantic and platonic relationships.
The emotional Skype calls between Nora and Hae Sung in their twenties and how video calls ultimately weren’t enough to keep them together.
Arthur’s perspective as Nora’s husband and how he navigates feelings of inadequacy, jealousy, and his genuine interest in her Korean identity.
The triangulated tension during the New York reunion—how Nora, Arthur, and Hae Sung’s interactions reveal different types of love and connection.
The power of silence and simple gestures, particularly in the final moments between Nora and Hae Sung.
Why Nora cries at the end—mourning a love that never was, and the layers of her past that she can never reclaim.
Whether Nora and Arthur’s marriage is built on love, convenience, or shared experience—and how their synchronized steps at the end suggest a kind of unity.
The cinematography’s role in enhancing the film’s emotional resonance, including scenes of the Brooklyn Bridge, ferry rides, and the iconic closing restaurant sequence.
References
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I’m so glad you guys reposted this episode, since I’ve seen the movie again at home. I reconsidered my view of Arthur. Even though you guys thought him overly timid in defense of his marriage, I didn’t see it that way. To me, it showed his true love for her, caring more about her happiness than his own. I think she saw that too, as did Hae Sung. That’s true strength.
ReplyDeleteI didn't vibe with Arthur, but I did empathise with his situation. He knows that his wife needs things from her 'past life' to be resolved so they can move forward. Soooo uncomfortable, but nothing to do but 'just go through it' as the children's rhyme says.
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Listening to this episode again makes me think of things that didn't occur to me when we first recorded this. I am thinking that one reason that Nora cried at the very end is because she now has someone who cares in Arthur. At the beginning, when she was a child, Haesung cared when she cried. Then when she emigrated to Canada, no one cared and she stopped crying. But now, to me, this shows how much Arthur is there with her, just as Haesung was in the beginning, that she can cry again, with Arthur beside her, even though it is to mourn the loss of her first love.
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ReplyDeleteCoincidentally, I had just listened to this episode and was telling Ellen three things:
a) how much I love this podcast,
b) how this episode made me appreciate Past Lives even more, and
c) that I still disagree with the take on Arthur — he’s no pushover.
(It was pretty funny to then see that Ellen had already commented here with essentially the same thought.)
When my parents first met, my mom — Norah, actually — was separated from her first husband. She and my dad had grown very close, but her husband flew into town and they decided to give their marriage one last try.
My dad had to step back and simply accept it. More than that, he had to be steady and supportive while my mom worked through what was likely the most difficult decision of her life.
And, just like in the movie, the two men even met — on friendly terms — during that time.
Given the circumstances, it would have been a huge mistake for my dad to act jealous or reveal deep insecurity. What he had to show instead was something much harder: that he loved her enough to let her go if that’s what she needed to be happy.
Maybe that’s why I immediately saw Arthur as a uniquely strong character — loving, self-aware, and perhaps even quietly strategic. Whether he realized it or not, he was being tested again and again throughout the film. And he passed every one of those tests with grace.
Sung-Hee Lee, I was also deeply moved by the irony of Arthur becoming the person Nora ultimately cries to. In the episode you discussed whether Nora and Arthur had inyeon. I like to think maybe they didn’t — at least not at first.
But perhaps that final scene is where their inyeon truly begins.
Though I can’t say it better than one of you did in the episode:
“…you can make someone meant to be.”
Hello, Dave. Thank you for telling us the wonderful story about your parents and how patient and strong your father was to stand by your mother, even when it was to give it one last try with her first husband. I agree, that was a truly selfless and ultimately the most loving thing he could have done. He put her feelings and welfare above his own. If that's not love, I don't know what it. You make a very strong case in support of Arthur in Past Lives and I am more than persuaded. I think we often think of love, especially in romantic stories, as consisting of grand gestures. But these quiet acts of caring can be the most heroic.
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